I don't really think it was what happened at a private party. What about her action when she chased it down the national party chief whip to his private office demanding he answered a question about why he hadn't been at a particular meeting. She would have known that this was illegal is there a certain areas of parliament where the media cannot go . This demeanor seems to have been forgotten in the aftermath of the whole Saga.
You might be onto something, Chris. She was relentless as a reporter, sometimes to the point it almost felt like stalking politicians for a soundbite. Maybe she should start a Substack, where she can actually speak freely without newsroom filters.
Who knows, maybe personally she is a bit more right-leaning than people realise. In mainstream media, the reporters are often just the faces on screen. The real direction comes from editors and executives deciding how the story gets framed. They are the directors, the journalists are just the actors reading the script.
Maybe she was encouraged by her bosses, but she has always been ruthless in her pursuit of getting a sound bite, so I have no sympathy. What goes around comes around. If she respected those she was hounding, then maybe she wouldn’t be in this position.
I agree that we’ve become too PC and sensitive about words these days. But when the media hunt people down for exactly this, they deserve a little bit of pay back.
I agree, chasing an MP in a corridor off limits was the action that had her suspended from Parliament. That surely is unacceptable in a "Chief polictical reporter" who should both understand and respect the rules.
Sadly I think the message has been lost in this whole saga. To me Ani was pointing out the double standard of the media. The MSM keeping quiet over this all year when they relentlessly chase other stories. There was no reason for her to resign.
Good on Ani for reporting on it, because the mainstream media rarely go after their own. When they do, it usually ends up buried behind a paywall or quietly brushed aside. Ani heard about it, chased the facts, verified the claims, and reported on it. That is literally journalism.
I was at the pub last night and heard the word faggot thrown around plenty of times, mostly directed at straight mates taking the piss out of each other. Crude? Sure. Worth somebody losing their job over? Absolutely not.
Ani's coloumn was about double standards in the legacy media and thats what I keep from this saga. Sherman resigning or not is irrelevant to me as I never listened to her. She has been consumed by the very environment she helped create. I have my doubts she will understand that.
The more I mull over this, the more it reinforces to me that we need to move away from the focus on individuals and personalities (with our journalists and politicians) and focus on the issues that need to be discussed and dealt with.
Yes but that’s only part of the story. You forgot to mention she was sent to her room for a week by the speaker for breaking simple rules. She lacked self control and was one of the most biased and disgraceful reporters out there, but by no means the only one. I couldnt stand watching the lefty going hard out doing her lefty thing. The country is full of them, have a look at the pimple faced no hopers in the parliament foyer, not one of them memorable for anything.
Absolutely agree with you Rod. She came across as a hard nose lefty bully. I so hope Sherman is just the start of many more to come. Bring it on and I will be able to watch the 6 pm " news " again. As things are at the moment I couldn't sit and listen to all that dribble.
Seems to me that she couldn’t stand the heat of public scrutiny and decided to get out of the kitchen. A clear case of a lack of resilience. A different matter when she was handing it out.
100% correct, Matua. If you insult someone to their face, don't complain about pushback. The question was whether she was right. Maybe the guy was a faggot. Some people have been called a lot worse and are still here. Absolutely ridiculous overreaction.
He has refuted this claim, I imagine this ‘conversation’ was witnessed? We are now left with a definite she said (because everyone heard her, and not just one f….t but several) and Lloyd denying any provocation at all. Her position as lead political journo leaves her without justification in my book.
Why has Maiki not spoken of the alleged insult by Lloyd burr? Why not do that instead of resigning? Personally I don't think she should have resigned. She's shown herself to be weak-minded.
Nobody has told the full story of just what happened in Nicola’s office that night of what lead to Maiki’s retort. I heard Winston say in a Michael Laws interview yesterday that he had overheard more but being a lawyer would not be drawn on it.
I have the feeling she resigned more from finally understanding how deeply unpopular her style has become more than the utterance of the word faggot which surely pales into insignificance when the word cunt has been used openly in our own parliament.
And I’m not interested in the full story. This is more about the double standards the likes of Sherman et al encourage but hate when they’re on the receiving end. Odds on she’ll be a candidate for the the Maori or Green Party soon. Ugh.
As a society we need to drop all this worrying about hurty words. Imagine being a comedian these days, what a mine field.
Ani's post re- the double standard in journalism, which didn't get mentioned on the TVNZ report last night! If it had been, that would be shooting themselves, journalists, in the foot and we can't have that. So this is another double standard!
Sherman is biased, her reporting has been constantly through a left leaning lens so her demise is of no consequence to me. I do however believe there is a lot more to her departure than name calling. Really I couldn’t care less. Any bias in political reporting is not acceptable. Let’s hope her replacement does better.
Although what you say is true Matua, it still pleases me no end to see a leftist hoist by her own petard. In the leftist universe using the word faggot is the unforgivable sin that shall not be forgiven, not in this age nor in the age to come.
The hypocracy of the media in this beat up is fascinating and yet again enlightening and it seems the lovies first response like their idol Arden is to cut and run .If you can’t handle the manufactured heat on you after freely and repeatedly dishing it up and expecting others to soak it up while you sit on your percieved superiority and importance you ain’t got the stones to be there.The word faggot ain’t that big a deal and also is the name of a delicious Welsh Meatball and hardly a justification for firing or resignation .Norm Jones MP years ago got away away with Wooly Wofters and Carmen stood for Mayor of Wellington on the hustings with the slogan “Get in Behind “without anyone clutching their pearls and losing the plot and overreacting
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Lloyd Burr specifically asked for the whole matter to be dropped and that's why it was. It was an alcohol-spurred spat by the sound of it. So who is at fault? It seems to me to be Ani O"Brien for bringing up something that was a year old, that was an exchange of insults at a private function and that had been specifically requested to not go any further.
How about we have a go at Lloyd Burr for insulting Maiki? This is not to defend either one of them btw but hey they were both insulting each other. And yes, Maiki was relentless, but is that a bad thing when MPs are sneaky and we don't have transparency at all in govt? Also, if Maiki was a male, and relentless, would it be a different story?
Just because Ani O"Brien pointed the finger at Maiki, for whatever reason, does that mean Lloyd Burr should be away with making "deeply personal and inappropriate remarks" directed at Maiki. If that was me, faggot would be the least offensive word directed back lol. Perhaps instead of applauding Ani for dragging up private matters which had been resolved and which one of the parties specifically did not want pursued, we should be asking just WHY Ani chose this particular time to dredge the matter up??
It was purely about the double standards of the MSM, and especially because Sherman has been up to her usual appalling antics of late. You can’t have it both ways Karin. What goes around eventually comes around.
Lol Maddi I'm not interested in "having it both ways". Personally I don't follow MSM or even a lot of the "alt" media as they are just more of the same drivel so not interested. I could count on the fingers of 1 hand the times I've seen a glimpse of anything of Maiki Sherman. Or Lloyd Burr. I have seen more of Ani's stuff and she'd do well in the English tabloid world from what I've read of hers lol.
You are totally missing the point here Matua. Sherman was racist and biased towards the left in her reporting . Sickening in fact. We have not watched TVNZ for 6 years because of the b.s and propaganda. Sherman's unacceptable behaviour used to pop up on the independent news sites we are on. Whatever her colour ethnicity is irrelevant. She was totally crap and I am so pleased to see the back of her and hope there are many more to follow.
The point tho, is not whether you like Maiki or not, she was insulted at a private function, she insulted back, they dealt with it privately and Lloyd Burr specifically asked for it not to go further. This has nothing to do with Maiki Sherman's behaviour as a journalist, and everything to do with muck-raking by Ani O"Brien.
Having read Ani O’Brien’s post today “Had a conservative public figure, someone like Israel Folau perhaps, used a homophobic slur, even in anger or a heated exchange, there is little doubt the same media would treat it as evidence of deep moral rot rather than a regrettable lapse. Likewise, if a journalist had shouted racial slurs at Sherman herself, nobody can seriously believe the public conversation a year later would revolve around forgiveness, context, or whether the incident should simply have remained private.” I can’t help but agree.
I don't really think it was what happened at a private party. What about her action when she chased it down the national party chief whip to his private office demanding he answered a question about why he hadn't been at a particular meeting. She would have known that this was illegal is there a certain areas of parliament where the media cannot go . This demeanor seems to have been forgotten in the aftermath of the whole Saga.
You might be onto something, Chris. She was relentless as a reporter, sometimes to the point it almost felt like stalking politicians for a soundbite. Maybe she should start a Substack, where she can actually speak freely without newsroom filters.
Who knows, maybe personally she is a bit more right-leaning than people realise. In mainstream media, the reporters are often just the faces on screen. The real direction comes from editors and executives deciding how the story gets framed. They are the directors, the journalists are just the actors reading the script.
Maybe she was encouraged by her bosses, but she has always been ruthless in her pursuit of getting a sound bite, so I have no sympathy. What goes around comes around. If she respected those she was hounding, then maybe she wouldn’t be in this position.
I agree that we’ve become too PC and sensitive about words these days. But when the media hunt people down for exactly this, they deserve a little bit of pay back.
No sympathy here.
I agree, chasing an MP in a corridor off limits was the action that had her suspended from Parliament. That surely is unacceptable in a "Chief polictical reporter" who should both understand and respect the rules.
Sadly I think the message has been lost in this whole saga. To me Ani was pointing out the double standard of the media. The MSM keeping quiet over this all year when they relentlessly chase other stories. There was no reason for her to resign.
Good on Ani for reporting on it, because the mainstream media rarely go after their own. When they do, it usually ends up buried behind a paywall or quietly brushed aside. Ani heard about it, chased the facts, verified the claims, and reported on it. That is literally journalism.
I was at the pub last night and heard the word faggot thrown around plenty of times, mostly directed at straight mates taking the piss out of each other. Crude? Sure. Worth somebody losing their job over? Absolutely not.
Exactly Barb.
Ani's coloumn was about double standards in the legacy media and thats what I keep from this saga. Sherman resigning or not is irrelevant to me as I never listened to her. She has been consumed by the very environment she helped create. I have my doubts she will understand that.
Sherman’s exit package might be newsworthy, but I agree her resigning or not is not.
The more I mull over this, the more it reinforces to me that we need to move away from the focus on individuals and personalities (with our journalists and politicians) and focus on the issues that need to be discussed and dealt with.
Yes but that’s only part of the story. You forgot to mention she was sent to her room for a week by the speaker for breaking simple rules. She lacked self control and was one of the most biased and disgraceful reporters out there, but by no means the only one. I couldnt stand watching the lefty going hard out doing her lefty thing. The country is full of them, have a look at the pimple faced no hopers in the parliament foyer, not one of them memorable for anything.
Absolutely agree with you Rod. She came across as a hard nose lefty bully. I so hope Sherman is just the start of many more to come. Bring it on and I will be able to watch the 6 pm " news " again. As things are at the moment I couldn't sit and listen to all that dribble.
Seems to me that she couldn’t stand the heat of public scrutiny and decided to get out of the kitchen. A clear case of a lack of resilience. A different matter when she was handing it out.
She should never have been hired by TVNZ in the first place as she's not a journalist. She's an activist.
Rest assured though, it won't be the last we'll see of her. She'll most likely pop up in either The Maori, Labour or Greens Party some time real soon.
100% correct, Matua. If you insult someone to their face, don't complain about pushback. The question was whether she was right. Maybe the guy was a faggot. Some people have been called a lot worse and are still here. Absolutely ridiculous overreaction.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
Lloyd insulted Maiki first - maybe he's the one that should be the subject of Ani's "report", not Maiki, and we need to ask - why Maiki, why now?
He has refuted this claim, I imagine this ‘conversation’ was witnessed? We are now left with a definite she said (because everyone heard her, and not just one f….t but several) and Lloyd denying any provocation at all. Her position as lead political journo leaves her without justification in my book.
Why do you think he didn't want it followed up? Perhaps because he knew he'd be in the shit about what he said?
Karin. It sounds like you’re in the know. Spill the beans.
Why has Maiki not spoken of the alleged insult by Lloyd burr? Why not do that instead of resigning? Personally I don't think she should have resigned. She's shown herself to be weak-minded.
She was very good at dishing it out but typically not good taking it.
Nobody has told the full story of just what happened in Nicola’s office that night of what lead to Maiki’s retort. I heard Winston say in a Michael Laws interview yesterday that he had overheard more but being a lawyer would not be drawn on it.
I have the feeling she resigned more from finally understanding how deeply unpopular her style has become more than the utterance of the word faggot which surely pales into insignificance when the word cunt has been used openly in our own parliament.
You're right about the fact we haven't been told the full story
And I’m not interested in the full story. This is more about the double standards the likes of Sherman et al encourage but hate when they’re on the receiving end. Odds on she’ll be a candidate for the the Maori or Green Party soon. Ugh.
As a society we need to drop all this worrying about hurty words. Imagine being a comedian these days, what a mine field.
I agree we need to drop the BS over "hurty" words, esp in the area that adjective comes from. And yep it is a minefield out there!
Ani's post re- the double standard in journalism, which didn't get mentioned on the TVNZ report last night! If it had been, that would be shooting themselves, journalists, in the foot and we can't have that. So this is another double standard!
Sherman is biased, her reporting has been constantly through a left leaning lens so her demise is of no consequence to me. I do however believe there is a lot more to her departure than name calling. Really I couldn’t care less. Any bias in political reporting is not acceptable. Let’s hope her replacement does better.
Although what you say is true Matua, it still pleases me no end to see a leftist hoist by her own petard. In the leftist universe using the word faggot is the unforgivable sin that shall not be forgiven, not in this age nor in the age to come.
The hypocracy of the media in this beat up is fascinating and yet again enlightening and it seems the lovies first response like their idol Arden is to cut and run .If you can’t handle the manufactured heat on you after freely and repeatedly dishing it up and expecting others to soak it up while you sit on your percieved superiority and importance you ain’t got the stones to be there.The word faggot ain’t that big a deal and also is the name of a delicious Welsh Meatball and hardly a justification for firing or resignation .Norm Jones MP years ago got away away with Wooly Wofters and Carmen stood for Mayor of Wellington on the hustings with the slogan “Get in Behind “without anyone clutching their pearls and losing the plot and overreacting
Sherman fell on her sword rather than get the push from her rascist woke handlers...
Everyone seems to have forgotten that Lloyd Burr specifically asked for the whole matter to be dropped and that's why it was. It was an alcohol-spurred spat by the sound of it. So who is at fault? It seems to me to be Ani O"Brien for bringing up something that was a year old, that was an exchange of insults at a private function and that had been specifically requested to not go any further.
How about we have a go at Lloyd Burr for insulting Maiki? This is not to defend either one of them btw but hey they were both insulting each other. And yes, Maiki was relentless, but is that a bad thing when MPs are sneaky and we don't have transparency at all in govt? Also, if Maiki was a male, and relentless, would it be a different story?
Just because Ani O"Brien pointed the finger at Maiki, for whatever reason, does that mean Lloyd Burr should be away with making "deeply personal and inappropriate remarks" directed at Maiki. If that was me, faggot would be the least offensive word directed back lol. Perhaps instead of applauding Ani for dragging up private matters which had been resolved and which one of the parties specifically did not want pursued, we should be asking just WHY Ani chose this particular time to dredge the matter up??
It was purely about the double standards of the MSM, and especially because Sherman has been up to her usual appalling antics of late. You can’t have it both ways Karin. What goes around eventually comes around.
Lol Maddi I'm not interested in "having it both ways". Personally I don't follow MSM or even a lot of the "alt" media as they are just more of the same drivel so not interested. I could count on the fingers of 1 hand the times I've seen a glimpse of anything of Maiki Sherman. Or Lloyd Burr. I have seen more of Ani's stuff and she'd do well in the English tabloid world from what I've read of hers lol.
You are totally missing the point here Matua. Sherman was racist and biased towards the left in her reporting . Sickening in fact. We have not watched TVNZ for 6 years because of the b.s and propaganda. Sherman's unacceptable behaviour used to pop up on the independent news sites we are on. Whatever her colour ethnicity is irrelevant. She was totally crap and I am so pleased to see the back of her and hope there are many more to follow.
The point tho, is not whether you like Maiki or not, she was insulted at a private function, she insulted back, they dealt with it privately and Lloyd Burr specifically asked for it not to go further. This has nothing to do with Maiki Sherman's behaviour as a journalist, and everything to do with muck-raking by Ani O"Brien.
Ani's post was regarding the double standard that journalists have, not just muck raking!
So perhaps she should follow her own advice. If she's talking about double standards why not attack other journalists with more recent misdemeanors?
Having read Ani O’Brien’s post today “Had a conservative public figure, someone like Israel Folau perhaps, used a homophobic slur, even in anger or a heated exchange, there is little doubt the same media would treat it as evidence of deep moral rot rather than a regrettable lapse. Likewise, if a journalist had shouted racial slurs at Sherman herself, nobody can seriously believe the public conversation a year later would revolve around forgiveness, context, or whether the incident should simply have remained private.” I can’t help but agree.
“People in glasshouses… “ and all that.